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	<title>Comments on: On Teaching Computer Security to Non-Geeks</title>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://peter.upfold.org.uk/blog/2009/11/08/on-teaching-computer-security-to-non-geeks/comment-page-1/#comment-132262</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peter nelson,

I think the best defence against getting a PC &#039;zombied&#039; is to install as little software as possible on it (only trusted software from trusted sources), keep it up-to-date and to avoid accessing anything you don&#039;t trust. Once some bad software is on your machine, it&#039;s essentially game over. Yes, a software firewall at that point &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; be able to prevent other machines getting infected, but it really is too late.

But having said that, I accept that this is an &#039;ideal world&#039; sort of scenario I&#039;m asking for. In the real world, with non-technical users, it might be difficult to enforce those conditions.

I personally tend to rely on the built-in Windows Firewall on the Windows machines that I run and are responsible for, in combination with a firewall at the router level. Again, though, I make sure those machines don&#039;t do anything &#039;dodgy&#039;, so I trust the software installed there.

So to actually answer your question - I&#039;m not really looking at that type of product for the stuff I do, so I&#039;m not sure what to recommend. &lt;a href=&quot;http://lifehacker.com/5061933/five-best-windows-firewalls&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This list of recommended firewalls at Lifehacker&lt;/a&gt; might be something to look at, though. Again, as I say, I haven&#039;t looked at this type of product, so I can&#039;t personally vouch for any of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter nelson,</p>
<p>I think the best defence against getting a PC &#8216;zombied&#8217; is to install as little software as possible on it (only trusted software from trusted sources), keep it up-to-date and to avoid accessing anything you don&#8217;t trust. Once some bad software is on your machine, it&#8217;s essentially game over. Yes, a software firewall at that point <em>might</em> be able to prevent other machines getting infected, but it really is too late.</p>
<p>But having said that, I accept that this is an &#8216;ideal world&#8217; sort of scenario I&#8217;m asking for. In the real world, with non-technical users, it might be difficult to enforce those conditions.</p>
<p>I personally tend to rely on the built-in Windows Firewall on the Windows machines that I run and are responsible for, in combination with a firewall at the router level. Again, though, I make sure those machines don&#8217;t do anything &#8216;dodgy&#8217;, so I trust the software installed there.</p>
<p>So to actually answer your question &#8211; I&#8217;m not really looking at that type of product for the stuff I do, so I&#8217;m not sure what to recommend. <a href="http://lifehacker.com/5061933/five-best-windows-firewalls" rel="nofollow">This list of recommended firewalls at Lifehacker</a> might be something to look at, though. Again, as I say, I haven&#8217;t looked at this type of product, so I can&#8217;t personally vouch for any of them.</p>
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		<title>By: peter nelson</title>
		<link>http://peter.upfold.org.uk/blog/2009/11/08/on-teaching-computer-security-to-non-geeks/comment-page-1/#comment-132260</link>
		<dc:creator>peter nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is a good firewall for non-geeks?   - especially one that blocks OUTgoing content to prevent your PC being zombied?

I recently installed Zone Alarm and ran into problems with some apps not working unless I turned off Zone Alarm, but also not logging anything in ZA&#039;s log!   I started a couple of threads on their discussion forum that turned real geeky, real fast!    Unless I&#039;m willing to talk ports and filtering that&#039;s a no-starter!

But non-geeks can&#039;t talk ports and filtering.   

The biggest problem in PC&#039;s today is that security software like malware-/virus- checkers and firewalls STILL require too much geekiness for Aunt Martha and Uncle Ned, so they don&#039;t do them, and thus there are vast armies of zombied PC&#039;s speading trouble!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a good firewall for non-geeks?   &#8211; especially one that blocks OUTgoing content to prevent your PC being zombied?</p>
<p>I recently installed Zone Alarm and ran into problems with some apps not working unless I turned off Zone Alarm, but also not logging anything in ZA&#8217;s log!   I started a couple of threads on their discussion forum that turned real geeky, real fast!    Unless I&#8217;m willing to talk ports and filtering that&#8217;s a no-starter!</p>
<p>But non-geeks can&#8217;t talk ports and filtering.   </p>
<p>The biggest problem in PC&#8217;s today is that security software like malware-/virus- checkers and firewalls STILL require too much geekiness for Aunt Martha and Uncle Ned, so they don&#8217;t do them, and thus there are vast armies of zombied PC&#8217;s speading trouble!</p>
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		<title>By: Keeping Things in Perspective — the iPhone ‘Worm’ &#171; Blog &#171; Peter Upfold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeping Things in Perspective — the iPhone ‘Worm’ &#171; Blog &#171; Peter Upfold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mac or the iPhone to be ‘secure’, or more secure than anything else. As hope I made clear in my previous post, a simplistic black-and-white approach to looking at computer security doesn’t make any sense or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mac or the iPhone to be ‘secure’, or more secure than anything else. As hope I made clear in my previous post, a simplistic black-and-white approach to looking at computer security doesn’t make any sense or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: B Beacham</title>
		<link>http://peter.upfold.org.uk/blog/2009/11/08/on-teaching-computer-security-to-non-geeks/comment-page-1/#comment-131757</link>
		<dc:creator>B Beacham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on this matter.  However, when I bought my mac I set the security settings.  That was all I did.  When I owned a PC I purchased security software because my PC was always crashing.  This was done in hopes this would solve the problem.  It did not.  My mac does not crash.  Also the software I bought was said to be &quot;cheap&quot; and &quot;unreliable&quot; for the purpose.  I did always have to update it.  It often got in the way of simple site browsing.  It seems like &quot;geeks&quot; dont want to tell people what security software to download for free or what the best product is to buy.  So again the end user is stuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on this matter.  However, when I bought my mac I set the security settings.  That was all I did.  When I owned a PC I purchased security software because my PC was always crashing.  This was done in hopes this would solve the problem.  It did not.  My mac does not crash.  Also the software I bought was said to be &#8220;cheap&#8221; and &#8220;unreliable&#8221; for the purpose.  I did always have to update it.  It often got in the way of simple site browsing.  It seems like &#8220;geeks&#8221; dont want to tell people what security software to download for free or what the best product is to buy.  So again the end user is stuck.</p>
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